Bible vs. Quran
April 20, 2016 By Arch Kennedy
Without question, the answer is most definitely the quran. Time and time again, you will see islam apologists say both are equally violent in hopes of supporting multiculturalism and inclusion. But, the facts speak for themselves. Let’s analyze, shall we?
First of all, there is no violence to speak of in the New Testament, which is what Christians go by. Yes, in the Old Testament there is violence but you have to look at the type of violence we are talking about. I’ll get to that in a second. There are some 34,000 words devoted to violence in the Old Testament as opposed to 328,000 words in the quran, sira, and hadith. You must look at all three sources in islam. You cannot just go by the quran alone.
There are two big points that I want to make about this “violence” in both religions.
- The violence in the Bible is mostly historical and tribal as well as local in nature. The violence in the quran, sira, and hadith is “prescriptive”. This is a huge point!
- The violence that you see in the Bible is in the Old Testament. But then came the New Testament, where Jesus preached nothing but love and tolerance and “turning the other cheek”. So the Bible ENDS with love and tolerance, where it “supersedes” the teachings in the Old Testament. In the quran, however, any peaceful passages are “superseded” by the more violent verses at the end. The doctrine of the quran ENDS with instructions for subjugation or violence to the non-believers. That is the most important concept to grasp, and this is why we continue to see muslims around the world engaging in jihad up till this day. They are following the doctrine to a T!
Classical islamic scholars teach “abrogation”, since the quran is not in chronological order. So basically, all of the violent verses are later verses that take the place of the more peaceful ones early in the quran. In the beginning when mohammed was in Mecca, he was peaceful but only gained 150 followers. When he left and went to Medina, his power grew as he became violent and began his conquests. This is the part of the quran, sira, and hadith that are to be followed…the later verses. It was made quite evident that islam was to become the law of the land by any means necessary.
- “And slay them wherever ye find them, and drive them out of the places whence they drove you out, for persecution [of Muslims] is worse than slaughter [of non-believers]…and fight them until persecution is no more, and religion is for Allah.”
(Quran 2:191) - Kill, convert or subjugate Christians and Jews.
(Quran 9:29) - “And Allah has made you heirs to their land
and their dwellings and their property”
(Quran 33:27)
Those are just a couple of verses on spreading islam through violence. There are many more and also plenty of “prescriptive” verses on treatment of women such as:
- The quran explicitly instructs
men to beat disobedient wives.
(Quran 4:34, Sahih Muslim 2127) - Explicitly allows Muslim men to rape their female slaves, even those already married.
(Quran 4:24, 70:29-30, 23:5-6…)
Again, there many more verses exist on the treatment of women as “half a human being” and, we, of course, see this to this day in Middle East countries around the world, along with the violence to non-believers and apostates. So it is quite obvious just by turning on the morning news. Are you ever shocked to see an islamic terrorist bombing? But, you would be surprised to see 38 people beheaded by a group of Methodists shouting “Jesus is Great”, wouldn’t you?
The “Difference” is easily shown; JESUS; A mystical healer, who Never killed anyone, raped no one, captured people to be used as sex slaves, never ordered violent attacks on others … in fact, Jesus urged HIS followers to be kind, to heal, to forgive, etc .. and who’s miracles had mass witnesses!!
MUHAMMAD: An Arab merchant turned warlord and self proclaimed ‘prophet’ of “Allah” who DID kill others, DID rape women, DID sell children into sexual slavery, DID take 20% of the proceeds of selling innocent victims into sexual slavery, and DID order his followers to do the same untill the entire world is conquered in the name of the false god, Allah and there are only arabs left alive. such a holy man. Now all of that would be a difference in ideology, but, the Koran also demands everyone believe the world is flat and the tiny sun orbits the earth to set in a pool of water here on earth … or, else, Islamic Religious Police will kill you . That’s the difference I see.
Except for all the passages in the Bible condoning rape, and murder, and racism and slavery, but you don’t like to include those parts.
Thank you!
WHO THE FLIPPING SHOE SAID THAT GIVE ME A REALLY QUOTE OR BE QUITE.
IF YOUR NOT A MUSLIM THEN SHUT YOUR MOUTH
I have studied both quite extensively. I won’t ever shut my mouth on speaking the truth. Thanks for your reply.
I agree with you lol that is not even a Quran verse!!!!
Says a person who claim to be christian but actually secullar. Bible forbid adultery and drinking alcohol but you guys still do it …
I am not discussing people, but the doctrine of both pieces of written work.
First off, may you be saved on the day of recompense. Allah (swt) also says in the Quran, that any muslim who harms a non-believer will have two times a greater punishment than if he had harmed another muslim. Do you forget about the bible verses? For example ….This is what the Lord Almighty says… ‘Now go and strike Amalek and devote to destruction all that they have. Do not spare them, but kill both man and woman, child and infant, ox and sheep, camel and donkey.’” (1 Samuel 15:3) you dont like posting bible verses do you? May Allah forgive you for your ignorance
Surely you know about abrogation and later verses that call for the murder of unbelievers. And also that Muhammad murdered thousands the last nine years of his life?
He did it because he had to and because he was being killed by the disbelievers and had no choice. I am only 11 but unlike you people I believe in the truth and even if I did not I would keep my opinions to myself. But I do applaud you for being so strong in your cause but I also pity you for all that you are doing and there is no benefit. May Allah guide you. Our religion is the same and there is not much differences. We believe in the same prophets and we believe in Jesus but only as a prophet of God. So I hope you realise that those actions were only taken for self defence.
Your statement is false. The Battle of Badr for example was an OFFENSIVE war by Muhammad. I urge you to read Nabeel Qureshi’s book, “Seeking Allah, Finding Jesus”. It has a lot of great information.
You should include the Talmud if you are going to include the Hadith. Don’t act like comparing the old testament to a significant portion of all Islamic literature is an Apples-to-Apples comparison. The vast majority of hadith aren’t even fully verified, and many Muslims don’t actually follow them. If you were intellectually honest, you would talk about percentage, rather than word count, which is pretty much meaningless without proper context.
The New Testament (let alone Old) by percentage has more violent verses than the Quran…And the Bible repeatedly supports genocide, rape, and pillaging of people who upset God. There is a reason Constantine loved the religion so much… The Quran only promotes violence against attacks by nonbelievers, which were a huge problem for Muslims in Makkah and the reason the Prophet had to flee to Madinah. In fact, it explicitly bans unprovoked acts of war and states that terrorists will go to hell. Educate yourself on the less-than-savoury aspects of your own religion before criticizing others of which you know very little. If you knew how violent, misogynist, and sectarian Bedouin society was, the Quran would quickly appear to promote a liberation theology. You don’t hold Christians and Jews to 2000 BC ideas in their texts, so why would you hold Muslims to 7th Century ideas in theirs? Study up on Sufism and non-Wahabbi Islam. But you would have to turn off the TV for that.
Personal insults to “turn off the tv” don’t work well with me. I urge you to read Nabeel Quereshi’s book “Seeking Allah, Finding Jesus” and you will understand fully.
Don’t try to create the misconceptions among people’s minds and their ideologies. What here in the Quran is being told is for you if you are standing in the field of battle and fighting like an army.
So don’t mix both these irrelevant ideas.
Nothing irrelevant about what I have written.